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 More Peace!

CommunityAnonymous writes "I'm glad the Doc/Peace rhetorical war has softened somewhat in recent posts.  After all, Peace is what we're all after.

Just a few simple remarks in response to some of Doc's assertions in his "Re: Peace" post.  First, it isn't only Hezbollah, Hamas and "terror groups" arguing Israel is occupying Arab land.  The United Nations and all governments in the world, even official Washington, have the same opinion.  Israel is occupying the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.  At the UN, in the language of the International Court of Justice, the world's highest judicial authority, those territories are referred to as Occupied Palestinian Territories.  Israel acquired the territories in the 1967 war.  All the UN resolutions refer to the illegality and illegitimacy of acquiring territory through war.  Israel also illegally occupies the Syrian Golan Heights and the Shebaa Farms in Lebanon.  So Israel is occupying Arab land - nobody disputes that.  Now, to the question of whether Hamas, etc. consider Israel proper to be occupied Palestinian land.  Of course they do.  And they do have a compelling historical argument.  But it doesn't matter.  Israel exists, it is a recognized state at the United Nations and therefore has all the rights accorded any state in the international system [Israel doesn't have any declared borders which is unusual but the world considers Israel to exist within its pre-June 1967 borders].  To hit Doc with another analogy he won't respond to, the Israeli government is comprised of political parties, including Netanyahu's own Likud Party - the most popular Israeli political party, which consider all of Israel and all of the Occupied Palestinian Territories to be the Land of Israel.  So Hamas considers all of Palestine to be Palestinian and Likud and Netanyahu's other right-wing coalition partners consider all of Palestine to be the Land of Israel.  So I ask you, why is Hamas singled out for rejecting the legitimacy of Israel when the leading Israeli parties do not recognize the legitimacy of a Palestinian state and are actively building settlements, annexing territory, and using US protection to carry out the actual wiping of Palestine and its people off the map?

Now if we're going to be serious, the Palestinian Authority accepts a 2-state settlement, the Organization of the Islamic Conference (50-some Muslim nations including Iran) accepts a 2-state settlement, the UN General Assembly votes overwhelmingly every year in support of a 2-state settlement, Hamas has indicated if the Palestinian Authority negotiates a 2-state settlement and a majority of Palestinians support it they will accept a 2-state settlement, Hezbollah has stated if the Palestinians accept a 2-state settlement they will accept it, all the Arab states have offered full recognition of Israel and normalized relations if Israel withdrew from all occupied Arab territories and agreed to a 2-state settlement, and I support a 2-state settlement.  The two countries blocking a 2-state settlement are the United States and Israel.  Israel refuses to give up the territories it illegally occupies, settles and annexes.  So no peace.  [And I was totally serious when I wrote it was cool if a Palestinian flag was flying at the Brooklyn Bridge - I'm in solidarity with the Palestinian struggle and I don't apologize for it.]

As far as Doc's continued assertions that progressives and I support the establishment of an all-powerful government controlling every aspect of people's lives - that just simply isn't true.  I support a small-d democratic government.  I want a government and progressives want a government that functions democratically and performs for the people of the country.  Progressives and I argue that the present government is not democratic.  The present government is corporate.  It is bought by huge corporations, large financial institutions and all sorts of private capitalist concerns.  Members of Congress are bought, presidents raise billions of dollars from corporate institutions to fund their campaigns and government is run of, by and for the corporations.  Progressives would like the corporate state replaced with a democratic state ... and we're baffled that the rest of the citizens, the so-called conservatives, do not want a democratic government.  We can't comprehend why Doc Bill and Republicans generally want oil companies, military-industry, Wall Street and other concentrations of wealth, power and privilege to run the government for their own benefit against the interests of the people of America and the world.

And I'm not going to apologize for the length of my recent posts.  Doc is pretty prolific and sometimes words are necessary.  But as I said at the outset I'm glad to see Doc finally acknowledging some of America's past crimes.  If he's a religious fellow and I'm not that shouldn't be all that divisive.  I'm highlighting America's Christianity and violence to try and show Americans that we should be more self-critical and see ourselves as part of a human race that isn't all that different in its devotion to violence and fanaticism.  Vilifying Muslims is just a recipe for perpetual war ... do conservatives really want that?  We should be humble, we should recognize our own responsibility for fueling the conflict and we should take steps towards peace, love and understanding.  Thank you.


Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 26 @ 05:18:34 EDT (53 reads)
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 Christian Bastards, If You Will

CommunityAnonymous writes "The United States military is an organization of paid killers.  For most of its history, maybe all of its history, American soldiers, Christian soldiers, the deep Christian faith of American politicians and military personnel,  White Christian Terror organizations like the KKK [I apologize to all the black members of the KKK], the deep religious conviction of damn near everyone ... I didn't feel like finishing that sentence - thoughts are conveyed, f*** grammar.  All the Christian fanaticism in the U.S. Air Force for example - mass killing and mass Christianity ... but the Muslims! the Muslims are ... kinda the same as us ... ya know human and violent and "faithful" to a Middle Eastern monotheistic religion [although some Muslims and others look at Christianity as sort of polytheistic with the whole Trinity thing and the worship of saints and stuff ... the whole Jesus was the Son of God thing seems kinda weird to Muslims who believe their Prophet Muhammad was a human being and nothing more.  But they both suck.  Christianity should wither away as should Islam.  Religious belief is incompatible with rational thought no matter the specifics of the religion. 

Words like "Jihad" and all that Islamophobic horse****:  they are violent killers, Americans are violent killers.  For the past hundred years the United States achieved hegemony over the people of planet Earth and has employed an overtly Christian rhetoric to justify and rationalize and bend the public mind into accepting non-stop warring, bombing, invading, occupying, torturing ... we call this activity "democratizing" or "spreading democracy" or "liberating tyrannies" or "defending ourselves" or "promoting freedom and democracy" ... the rest of the world just sees it as brutally aggressive violence.  They're more convinced by the pictures of bloodied and dismembered dead people, mostly civilians, wherever the Muslim population happens to be that is enduring either direct US attack or some US-backed state's attack like Israel or Egypt or the various dictatorships and their "security forces" which have been busy keeping the Arab populations of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, Bahrain, Iraq under Saddam (whom the U.S. supported from 1968-1990 and tacitly after by strangling the Iraqi civilian population with "genocidal" U.N. sanctions according to two white Western gentlemen who directed the most brutal sanctions regime in human history because Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright "thought the price was worth it." [what's a few hundred thousand dead Iraqi children?  We're "containing Saddam!"] ... and so on and so forth ... keeping those Arab populations decidedly unfree and undemocratic.

The Domestic Culture?  Gun-crazed lunatics whose first instinct is to shout "My 2nd Amendment Rights come from the Greatest Constitution Ever written by the slaveowners, lawyers, bankers, militarists and imperialists inspired by Jesus Himself who Founded America thereby prolonging Slavery of Blacks and Genocide of Indians!"  George Washington never told a lie and all that bull****.  Carlin did a skit on that, American Bull****.  Anyway, the point I'm making, whenever a bunch of kids at school are shot dead because somebody was just taking advantage of his 1791-written 2nd Amendment "right to bear arms," even if it means the proper political response is to do nothing when these gun massacres of innocent American civilians, including children, take place repeatedly, the first reaction of much of the American population is to instantly forget about the dead children and get on with the important business of making sure people have guns easily, as many as they want, whatever kind they want, for any reason because it is their Christian-God Given American Right to have them.  We applaud when other societies slaughter defenseless children -  just take a look at the U.S. Congress' reaction to Israel's devastation of Gaza (3rd time in 6 years Israel has massacred men, women and children, bombed hospitals, bombed schools, destroyed thousands of family homes, bombed United Nations facilities, just commits the most horrible atrocities against a population that can do nothing but fire primitive projectiles [dramatically termed "rockets" by the corporate state and the corporate media] which might injure a couple people a month and occasionally kill 1 person once in a great while.  Meanwhile Israel is reducing entire Palestinian neighborhoods, towns even, to complete rubble ... this is what "Israel" has been doing to Palestinian Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Palestinians as a nation of people deprived of their right to self-determination in their historic homeland ... Israel has been using superior Western-supplied military equipment and weapons to systematically cleanse what they call the Land of Israel of its Palestinian inhabitants.  Right up to the present, the United States role is to block Israel from any international sanction or punishment of its clearly criminal activity in violation of the Geneva Conventions, international humanitarian law, international human rights law, U.N. Security Council Resolutions.  The United States, while allowing Israel to massacre innocents with complete impunity, simultaneously supplies much of the weaponry and cash for the Israeli Ethnic Cleansing Project.  The project got underway in earnest in 1947-48 when "Israel" evicted 700,000 Palestinians and destroyed hundreds of Palestinian villages with its regular army the Haganah and two terrorist organizations [the Stern Gang and the Irgun] led by future Israeli Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.  Since its 1967 occupation of the rest of Palestine left to the Palestinians [the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem are 22% of Palestine meaning Israel Without The Settlements is already 78% of the land ... this in a country that was 90-95% Arab in the first decades of the 20th Century ... by 1948 "Israel" had taken about 50 years to conquer 78% of the place ... by 1967, the Israeli leadership was like "let's go grab the rest, the Arabs will stay and suffer or leave, it'll be ours eventually."  Everybody who "supports Israel" is supporting its ethnic cleansing/occupation/annexation/collective punishment/property destruction/house demolition ... we're close to genocide ... we have Israeli politicians in the Netanyahu government, some in his own Likud Party, and in privileged positions in the Knesset, openly calling for genocide in Gaza].  ...

America is violent with guns and weapons both home and abroad.  "That's who we are," to quote the Orator in Chief Barack Obama.  Oh right, and America is VERY CHRISTIAN CULTURALLY, ALWAYS HAS BEEN.  What is the difference between a crusade and a jihad?  Ok, so now we call it "Humanitarian Intervention" and some over there still call it by the religious label.  Words are just labels for things.  George W. Bush might as well have called it the Great American [and we're mostly Christians!] Crusade Against Evil Islamic Terror!!!  That was the level of government/media propaganda efforts to demand the American people passively accept the fact that "we" will be "torturing some folks," invading some countries, killing some children, dropping some bombs, shooting some drones, intentionally targeting some Iraqi civilians like that video of the helicopter in Iraq with U.S. Christian Crusaders, oh I mean American soldiers spreading democracy, just murdering defenseless Iraqi civilians ... and we're going to do that for decades into the 21st Century!  It's going to be bloody and terrible just like the 20th Century and the American-made Weapons Just Keep Getting Deadlier and More Destructive!!!!!!

The United States and many of its people --- oh yeah Christian and racist, that's America too, can't leave out the racism ... America has been killing "Redskins" and "Niggers" and "Spics" and "Japs" and "Gooks" and "Towel Heads" and "Islamofascist Bastards" all its history.  But we're a "peaceloving people."  Don't we all just laugh when we hear a George W. Bush or a Barack Obama wax poetic almost tearfully about how much the American state and the American culture loves peace.  Can't you tell how much we love peace!  Look at the wars abroad and the gun violence at home!  We are sooooooo peaceloving!

From the point of view of some of the victims of American or American-backed violence, like most of the people of Latin America, most of the people of the Middle East, and assorted other global beneficiaries of imposed at gun-point "American freedom," they tend to look at us as fanatical Christians using horrible violence on a global scale to promote almost mythically revered things like "Democracy," "Freedom," "Peace," "Security," "Stability," "Free Enterprise," "Free Trade," Free Market Capitalism."  We Christian Crusaders will fight to the death to remake the world in our image.  People who aren't Americans tend to resist that.  They just can't really get past the killing and the torture and the psychological impact of watching friends or family or just fellow countrymen/women killed or maimed.  That does have an impact.  The people tend to latch onto that rather than the rhetorical speeches American "leaders" give talking about democracy, freedom and the rest of the bull****. 

We can get more into this later, it's time for 11-11-73 Eyes of the World after that historic Dark Star. 


Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, August 24 @ 04:17:40 EDT (56 reads)
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 Torturing some folks, Beheading some folks, invasions, occupations and terror

CommunityAnonymous writes "To the author asking me to apologize to black police officers I'm going to need a bit more from you on why exactly I should do that? 

It was refreshing to read a post from Doc Bill which actually included some historical perspective, some acknowledgement of Christianity's "dark past" and Islam's past achievements.  I do have to disagree, however, with his basic position that Christianity=good and Islam=bad is more or less 100% true in this day and age.  See, most Americans, especially conservative Americans, are so eager to either ignore or justify American imperial violence [which is, after all, carried out predominantly by Christian politicians, Christian soldiers and a mostly Christian culture] that such sentiments are actually believed and respected.  Obviously the beheading of Foley is a horrific atrocity and is rightly condemned.  But let's not forget which society is still responsible for most of the violence, including violence against civilians.  If Americans actually saw what a U.S. drone does to human beings attending a wedding in Yemen for example they might not be so quick with the Christianity=good, Islam=bad conclusions.  U.S. terror in the form of drones and huge operations like the invasion of Iraq which set all of this horror in motion and included the "torturing of some folks" as the Christian George W. Bush ordered and the Christian Barack Obama so cavalierly acknowledged, is so much larger in scale and human victims than the Islamist terror that we are rightly appalled by.  Would it be appropriate for some ISIS official to announce "we beheaded some folks"?  Obviously beheading is terrible, but the Saudi state does it as a form of corporal punishment ... and the United States is closely allied to the Islamic fundamentalist Saudi absolute monarchy providing it with tens of billions of dollars in military equipment and doing business with it in the oil sector for decades.  Do Saudi state beheadings instill outrage and loud condemnation from the same American officials and citizens so eager to single out ISIS?  [And again, I'm not in anyway justifying, supporting, mitigating ISIS' crimes ... but if we're going to be serious, if we're going to be intellectually consistent, we have to explore the broader context within which ISIS is operating].

The fact is that the United States has done so much more violence against Muslim civilians than Muslim terror groups have done against American or Western European civilians.  The U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. drone campaign in Yemen, Pakistan, and throughout the region, the U.S. arming of Israel to massacre Palestinians, and on and on and on.  Americans have this peculiar propensity to ignore the larger historical and contemporary context and only focus on the violence "they" do against "us."  How does that do anything but ensure a perpetual cycle of violence?  Shouldn't we be trying to find solutions, peaceful solutions to these global problems? 

As far as the Palestinian flag being flown on the Brooklyn Bridge that's cool, an act of solidarity with the victims of injustice, I liken it to antiwar demonstrators in the 1960's flying the flag of the National Liberation Front in solidarity with the Vietnamese.  The struggle for Palestinian rights is global and it's a nice thing to see solidarity with the Palestinian cause in New York City [I lived there for 2 years, there's plenty of demonstrations in support of Israel and Israeli flags there too].  It's wrong for Benjamin Netanyahu and Doc Bill to try to blur the distinction between the righteous struggle of the Palestinians for human and political rights with groups like ISIS.  Remember, a sizeable minority of Palestinians are Christians or secular.  Just like not all Americans are Republican evangelicals, not all Palestinians are Hamas.  After the Cold War and the US policy to obliterate progressive Muslim organizations, socialist Muslim organizations, secular Muslim organizations, it is an unfortunate historical development that much of the Muslim resistance to Western imperial domination, to Arab dictatorships, to Israeli occupation takes the form of religious zealotry.  But there are non-violent forms of Palestinian civil disobedience and other movements in predominantly Islamic countries that just are not widely reported in the American corporate media, the sources from which most Americans get their so-called information.   
Again, Doc just throws around these labels like "Islamofascist" with such a broad stroke.  Where did Hamas come from?  Israel occupied the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem from 1967-1987 with no Hamas.  Hamas organized only in 1987 during the first Intifada and was supported by Israel as a counterweight to the secular nationalist PLO.  All the same rhetoric Israel applies now to Hamas was applied to the PLO then.  If it isn't clear that Israel simply doesn't want a Palestinian state, that Israel wants the West Bank, wants the whole of Jerusalem, wants to keep Gaza imprisoned then you're just not being honest.  What about Hezbollah?  Hezbollah formed in 1982 as a response to the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon.  Hezbollah is a Lebanese organization representing the Shiites who suffered under Israeli occupation from 1982-2006.  If Israel would simply be reasonable with the Palestinians and the rest of the region, accept the basic terms of the 2002 Saudi Peace Initiative and the 2-state settlement the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly votes for every year, exchange the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem for peaceful relations with all the Arab states and Iran, agree to compensate the Palestinian refugees, then we could move towards demilitarization and reduced tensions and peace in the Middle East.  But Israel and the United States have to make that choice, have to give up the Greater Israel settlement agenda and give up U.S. domination of that part of the world.  A lot of this is on us.  If we don't change then we're only going to know war, terror, and never-ending violence.



Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, August 23 @ 05:45:14 EDT (36 reads)
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 Wow, angry irrational Oswegonians

CommunityAnonymous writes "It's fascinating to read these people attempt ... what? humor? irony? criticism?  Yesterday we get two incredibly silly posts "peace the racist" and "ISIS" caricaturing me based on ...?  Yeah, I'm a racist ye who writes "this is a country ruled by white men, always has been and always will be, thank god for that."  Not only do we get white supremacy from this dizzying intellect but a little misogyny as well.  Was your labelling me a "racist" meant as a joke?  It's probably not the wisest thing to submit a racist post while trying to accuse somebody else of racism, especially when your accusation is self-evidently preposterous.  Congratulations for having no compassion whatsoever for the suffering of black people in America for the past 400 years.  You probably call yourself a Christian also given the obvious conservative tone of your trashy post.  Furthermore you "know" I have taken the side of ISIS.  How exactly do you know that?  Was it from the post where I denounced ISIS?  No you see it is possible to vehemently oppose U.S. imperial action in the Middle East since the 1940's while simultaneously opposing brutal, heinous, horrible organizations like ISIS.  I support democracy in the Middle East and everywhere else, freedom for the people, freedom from foreign domination and freedom from domestic tyranny (e.g. ISIS, the Saudi royal family, the Egyptian military dictatorship, the Jordanian monarchy and so on ... you'll notice that aside from ISIS, the others I mentioned are close U.S. friends and allies).

And just a note on race, racism, etc.  I struggle to understand what the author means by calling me a racist?  Apparently he doesn't know that racism entails an historical component of domination or supremacy.  White people in America can be racist, black people cannot.  There is no historical relationship of black people dominating white people in the United States so the term 'racism' does not apply.  There might be black people who viscerally don't like white people because of historical experience and resentment but 'racism' would not be the word/term/idea to apply to that circ-umstance. 

As far as the other post whose tone seems vaguely familiar again I wonder where this idea came from that I would somehow approve of a heinous inhuman act like the beheading of a journalist?  What white mob has been killing blacks?  Really?  I don't know have you ever heard of slavery?  Lynching?  The Ku Klux Klan?  Police brutality?  You ever hear of those things as historical and contemporary features of American society and the experience of African Americans within that society?  I was making a comparison between the obvious forms of domestic terrorism from whites against blacks through the past centuries (slavery, KKK, etc.) and the more subtle form by which armed whites continue to terrorize and kill black people, usually black men (e.g. the white police officer killing the unarmed black kid in Ferguson, Missouri).  But I guess my commentary really gets under the white skin of people like the "peace the racist" and "ISIS" authors.  Why don't I mention blacks killing blacks?  What relevance does it have?  Did African elites participate in the slave trade?  Yes.  Does that somehow exonerate white people from their participation in the trade?  The Middle Passage?  The brutality of American slavery?  The whippings, hangings, burnings, torture of black people?  Centuries of racism, white supremacy, discrimination, mass incarceration, the criminalization of black life in America?

As far as blacks "committing the vast majority of crimes in America," first of all it isn't true, second of all which dominant groups decide what the crimes are and where the police and prosecutorial resources go in combating certain types of crime?  You realize the land of the free, home of the brave imprisons more of its citizens than any other society in the history of the world?  You realize that people of color since the formal end of slavery and Jim Crow have been imprisoned en masse?  You realize that the police might focus a bit more on the activities of blacks and other minorities (and economically disadvantaged groups in general) than say white-collar crime, corporate crime, Wall Street crime, American state crimes and so forth. 

I thank the "peace the racist" author for promising not to submit anymore racist and stupid comments.  Apparently one poorly thought out paragraph is all he/she could muster from that fascinating mind of his/hers.  Cheers everyone!


Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 22 @ 08:14:51 EDT (38 reads)
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 Oh, So I'm Here to Amuse You ...

CommunityAnonymous writes "Funny how?

Professor Peace

Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 21 @ 06:39:29 EDT (49 reads)
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 Thin Skin

CommunityAnonymous writes "I think I'm the one getting under your skin; I enjoy responding to idiotic comments.  Japan is/was an "island full of a$$holes."  Wow, that's really astute analysis, please continue bestowing your wisdom upon us.  My implication was that Japan became industrial and imperial because that's what you needed to do if you wanted to be a world power ... the West did it first ... I provided plenty of examples demonstrating Japan was consciously modeling itself after Western powers.  But I know it's difficult for people who divide the world into good and evil to understand nuance and consider the possibility that maybe all imperialism and violent conquest is bad whether it's the Japanese empire, the American empire, The British empire, the Russian empire or the Schnozberry empire doing the conquering and killing.  Keep on wavin' that flag buddy [and nice try but you ain't gettin' any personal info from me unless I offer it voluntarily, you sound like you know who I am anyways, the question is 'who are youuuuuuuuu???!!!'



Posted by hostmaster on Monday, August 18 @ 07:19:10 EDT (55 reads)
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CommunityAnonymous writes "THOSE DRUG DEALERS WILL GET OFF
THAT'S THE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 15 @ 07:03:29 EDT (67 reads)
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 The Pot Calls the Kettle Black

CommunityAnonymous writes "I guess Doc and I just have a difference of opinion on using ethnic slurs.  Is it okay to call black people "niggers" if some of them perform some action you don't like or consider heinous?  I don't think ethnic slurs should ever be used.  Ok, so when Japan did it's east Asian imperial thing in the decades leading up to WWII attempting to emulate the Western imperial powers after the "opening of Japan" in the late 19th century, that's when, according to Bill, people can rightly refer to them as "Japs."  I disagree with the logic.  And again, Doc hasn't told us what ethnic slur we should use for Americans when referring to their atrocities.

On the Philippines, the term slaughter is used to denote a situation whereby a modern Western military conquers a territory inhabited primarily by unarmed or primitively armed villagers and civilians.  I recommend a collection of Mark Twain's anti-imperialist writings out of Syracuse University Press called "Weapons of Satire."  The American military did to virtually defenseless Filipinos the same thing it did to the Vietnamese 50 years later: widespread indiscriminate killing of civilians and those fighting for national liberation.  The United States action in the Philippines from 1898-ca.1913 was an imperial action that killed 200,000 people, mostly civilians in the types of massacres Twain described, and which the U.S. would repeat later in places like My Lai.  Incidentally, the American conquest of the Philippines happened at roughly the same time that Japan began its imperial conquest of Korea and other places in east Asia.  So Japanese imperialists, acting much closer to home, are villainous "Japs," while the American conquerors of the Philippines are ... still waiting on you Doc Bill.   [also, I know it's tough for Doc to grasp this point, but sometimes religion is not the motivating factor, Christians and Muslims were both fighting for national liberation against Spanish and then U.S. imperialism.  Just as Muslim and Christian Palestinians struggle against Israeli occupation, annexation and ethnic cleansing policies today.  But in Doc Bill world Muslim=bad, Christian=good and everything must fit that worldview.  So Muslim resistance against Western imperialism at any place, of any kind, makes the resisters "bastards."]

Then to top it off Doc accuses me and other progressives of resorting to ad hominem attacks instead of debating the content of issues.  I think anybody reading my posts understands that I spend the vast majority of my energy debating the issues.  It's an interesting claim coming from a writer who routinely ascribes labels to his real but often imagined opposition.  Simply by claiming a person is a "progressive," Doc often disregards the content of the argument.  Oh Chomsky's a libertarian socialist, Finkelstein is sympathetic to small-c communism, therefore we true blue Americans can disregard everything they say.  That, my friends, is ad hominem and avoiding serious argumentation.  How many times have we all seen Doc refer to "progressives" "Islamofascist bastards" "illegal alien children" as if the production of those sorts of labels has anything to do with making an argument. 

Finally, and for the Umpteenth time, Barack Obama is a corporate Democrat working for Wall Street.  He is not any progressive's idea of a progressive.  So you can keep trying to claim Obama is the representative of Progressive America but he is not.  He is the head of one of the wings of the Business Party.  "We have one party in the United States, the Business Party, with two right-wings, one Republican, one Democrat." - Gore Vidal


Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, August 13 @ 07:21:17 EDT (79 reads)
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CommunityAnonymous writes "   Could someone please explain something to me?  My nephew went out Thursday afternoon and hasn't been seen since. Here it is almost Tuesday. His father did not report this to the police (mind you I only found out about him missing Monday night). He is 14 years old. I called the police department and wanted to report him missing. I am very concerned for him. Only to be told that because I'm not his guardian I cannot report him missing. His father must and his father obviously wont. I couldn't believe what I was being told. He's 14, been gone for 4 days and the police department won't go looking for him!!!! What are our tax dollars for?"

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 12 @ 06:59:33 EDT (57 reads)
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 Davis Equipment. The WORST customer service you will ever have

CommunityAnonymous writes "SO recently I had work done to my lawn mower by davis equipment at 4894 New York 104, Oswego. He then returned it to me when it was leaking gas. AND he knew about the problem. It was NOT doing this when he picked it up. SO when I call him about the issue he says it is not his problem and tells me to go bother someone else and hangs up the phone on me. This is after dealing with him being rude through out the entire process. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt losing employees recently and all, but I can understand why they quit when they have to deal with a boss who is so rude and belittling. He deserves to go out of business treating his customers that way. I have never in my life had to deal with someone so rude and lazy allowing a mower to be returned to a customer not fixed after I have waited 3 weeks for him to pick it up and do the repair. Please save your self the headache and hassle and just take your mower to a good reputable dealer who will actually repair the damage to your mower.
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    Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 12 @ 06:58:21 EDT (74 reads)
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     Peace on "hating America"

    CommunityAnonymous writes "It's very instructive to read typical denunciations of my writings in which I'm accused of "hating America" or being "anti-American."  It shows how deep the propaganda has seeped into the American mind.  Americans are so programmed to uncritically worship "America," by which I guess people mean a piece of red, white and blue fabric and the policies of the American political/business/military/imperialist class that any strident criticism of the policies of American society in the hopes of changing the society and making it better constitute "hatred" of "America."  I think criticism of American violence, aggression, support for human rights violators, torture, corporate capitalism and its effects, and so forth comes from a place of love, not hate.  One of the greatest Americans, Martin Luther King Jr., once said, "Hatred of injustice is the political expression of love."  I agree with Dr. King.  Uncritical worship of "America" is not love, it's religious fanaticism.  Those who truly love America, and more to the point the human species regardless of national identification, criticize it in order to draw attention to its faults not out of hatred but out of the genuine desire to make the place better.  We've had popular movements all throughout the country's history that have run up against the type of right-wing flag-waving badgering that the people calling me "anti-American" are engaged in today.  Did the Abolitionists "hate America" because they opposed slavery, an American institution?  Did the Civil Rights Movement "hate America" because they struggled against white supremacy and racism?  Did the antiwar movement "hate America" because they thought American violence in Vietnam was immoral and should stop?  Without popular struggle and movements of people criticizing the status quo we wouldn't have any progress (even though Doc apparently thinks that's a bad word).  Why don't we live under feudalism anymore?  under monarchy?  under slavery?  At some point people have to draw attention to what's wrong with a society in order to change it for the better.  That's all I'm doing and that's the place, the loving place, that the small-d democratic socialist left is coming from.  There's much I love about American culture, society, history, and so forth.  What I don't love is American violence, aggression, inequality, environmental policy, and class domination by the rich and the corporations.  So I criticize the things I don't like.  You can't change anything with silence or blind worship.  Thank you.


    Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 12 @ 06:56:38 EDT (55 reads)
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     Inside Oswego

    CommunityAnonymous writes "What ever happened to the old format here? Now all this site is  the personal opinions of several posters from opposite sides of the fence on world politics that we have little or no control over. Lets get back to current information about our own community. I for one enjoyed the old site much better. Just my opinion, THANK YOU."

    Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 07 @ 08:42:48 EDT (121 reads)
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     More Doc Bill Lies and Propaganda

    CommunityAnonymous writes ""Keep in mind that muslims were allied with the nazis during WWII for no other reason than they were in agreement with the nazi objective of killing every Jew on the planet." - Doc Bill

    Doc Bill is lucky that libel laws do not apply to his increasingly insane rants on this site.  One tries to be reasonable.  One tries to engage in intelligent debate.  But you're engaged with a person who promotes views he himself knows to be false and completely historically inaccurate and frankly disgusting.  He talks about anti-Semitism.  Palestinian Muslims and Christians are Semitic people also.  Israeli occupation and oppression applies not just to Muslims but to the 10 percent of the Palestinian population that is Christian (Christian Palestinians living under Israeli occupation amount to hundreds of thousands of people).  Palestinian Christians and Muslims have lived in Palestine for thousands of years consecutively and they have been denied their rights by the Israeli occupation regime.  These issues are not complicated and not controversial.  Israel is slaughtering civilians.  Israel is bombing UN civilian shelters and killing children.  Even the United States has called the killings "indefensible" and "disgraceful"; UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has called Israel's attack on a UN school shelter a "moral outrage" and a "criminal act."  Palestinian deaths have risen to more than 1800.  These are human beings, almost all civilians, women, children, living imprisoned in Gaza and being slaughtered because Israel refuses to end its decades-long project to eliminate all Palestinian resistance to ethnic cleansing and land theft.  The only anti-Semitic comments on this site are those of Doc Bill directed against the Palestinians.  Bill shows zero regard for Palestinian humanity, Palestinian suffering and Palestinian rights.  He refuses to understand that criticism of Israel, and U.S. support for Israel, has nothing to do with anti-Semitism but is instead motivated by basic concern for the human rights of Palestinians.  But since defenders of Israeli crimes are so isolated internationally, since there is so much global solidarity with the Palestinians, they must rely on the sorts of desperate and consciously deceptive arguments offered by the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu and Doc Bill.  "Israel should stop killing children and bombing UN civilian shelters" is not an anti-Semitic statement. 

    [And just an aside, as I'm sure most readers already know, the first Palestinian uprising against the British and against British support for Zionism and against the territorial dispossession and displacement of Palestinians occurred from 1936-39.  Britain brutally suppressed the uprising and weakened the Palestinian Arab community in the lead-up to 1948.  WWII started in 1939.  Any loose alliance between Nazi Germany and Arabs was in the context of a Middle East under the thumb of British and French imperialism.  Palestine was under British control and the British were actively supporting Zionist aims at the expense of indigenous Palestinians.  Palestinians saw the Nazis as the enemies of the British, knew nothing of Hitler's ultimately genocidal agenda in Europe, and had no inclination whatsoever to support genocidal policies against Jews.  Muslims, Christians and Jews had lived relatively peacefully in Palestine and throughout the region all through the previous centuries until European imperialism changed things.  Even today, Muslims do not oppose Israeli Jews because they are Jews, they oppose them because of their policies.  Anti-Semitism is an historically European Christian phenomenon, not Islamic.]


    Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, August 06 @ 06:45:19 EDT (66 reads)
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     Doc Bill's Racist Commentary

    CommunityAnonymous writes "Doc Bill finally let one slip.  He openly used the ethnic slur "Japs" when referring to Japanese atrocities.  Hey Doc, it ain't 1943 anymore.  We don't use words like that anymore.  To paraphrase Walter from The Big Lebowski, "And Doc, Japs is not the preferred nomenclature, Asian or Japanese please."

    Once again we have Doc spouting official Israeli propaganda as regards the targeting of civilians.  Any sane person looking at the following disproportionate numbers understands which side is indiscriminately targeting civilians:  Israel has killed more than 1400 Palestinians and wounded 8200, 80 percent of the casualties are civilians and the concept "Palestinian militant" to describe the remaining casualties has its own set of problems.  Any Palestinian taking up arms to defend himself or his family from Israeli action is labelled a "militant" whose death is apparently ok.  But yeah Israel is being real careful about killing civilians.  The entire world, including John Kerry in his truthful remarks on Fox News referring sarcastically to "pinpoint" Israeli violence, realizes that Israel is acting in a completely unjustifiable savage fashion.  Israel will do anything it can to maintain its occupation which we may as well start referring to as annexation of the West bank and Gaza since occupations are supposed to be temporary and Israel has been in charge of those territories since 1967 and the Israeli government is comprised of parties who do not support the establishment of a Palestinian state anywhere in Palestine.  Oh yeah, the vicious, civilian-targeting Palestinians have killed how many Israelis in the latest violence?  56 Israeli soldiers and a whopping 3 Israeli civilians.

    Let me repeat that:  Israel has killed 1400 Palestinians, the vast majority of which are civilians.  The Palestinians/Hamas/etc have killed 59 Israelis, 3 of whom were civilians.  Is that a war?  It's a f***ing massacre.  Israel is terrorizing Palestinians and it's sickening that the American Congress supports this regime which is in flagrant violation of international law, the Geneva Conventions, and even American law forbidding military support for chronic human rights violators.  Doc and his "conservative" brethren are always denigrating "government."  Why do you uncritically support the U.S. government position on Israel?  A position that exists in splendid isolation from any other political entity on Earth aside from the Israeli Knesset?  Is it really just reducible to your obvious hatred of Arabs and Muslims?  Or is there some rational explanation for your uncritical support for Israel's US-backed campaign of terror and slaughter?  You honestly can't look at the history of the Palestinian people, what they've suffered to make way for the Israeli state, what they continue to suffer and conclude like most humans that this has gone on long enough and the Israelis should back off and allow these people to live decent lives in the remaining 22% of their country [the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem]?

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    Posted by hostmaster on Monday, August 04 @ 06:11:10 EDT (72 reads)
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     Rabbi Henry Siegman on Gaza: "A Slaughter of Innocents"

    CommunityAnonymous writes "Watch Rabbi Henry Siegman interview on Democracy Now:




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