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 Well Donz, welcome back to Oz

Anonymous writes "In just 5 dull months, Satellite Beach will be seeing you again in October."

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 15 @ 06:55:32 EDT (17 reads)
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 Peace

Anonymous writes "You forgot to mention people who are infatuated with Hitler and everyone that doesn't pull the conservative wagon is Hitler. Not to mention one who goes off on tangents about Margaret Sanger while promoting guns and violence. As well as the insanity of organized religion. Yeah you Mr. Bill and illiterate idiot who post on here. "

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 15 @ 06:54:38 EDT (5 reads)
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 Right-Wing Justifiable Violence vs. Left-Wing 'Terror' ... and Margare

GovernmentAnonymous writes "If the American Empire attacks the Philippines (1898-1910) and kills a few hundred thousand people fighting for independence it's not a problem.  If Margaret Sanger gave a speech in a building where "radicals" met and planned an unsuccessful bombing then she's Satan incarnate.  If the American Empire slaughters a few million Vietnamese struggling for national liberation after French, Japanese, French and American colonization efforts it's not a problem.  If the Weathermen carry out targeted bombings preceded by evacuation warnings they are Satan incarnate. 
This goes back to at least the French Revolution.  Centuries of absolute monarchy and clericalism?  Not a problem.  The Jacobins lop off the heads of the aristocrats?  It's Terror with a capital T!  Even the revolutionary American colonists using guerrilla tactics struggling for national liberation ... were they terrorists too?
Israel ethnically cleanses 80% of Palestine?  No problem.  Palestinians resist?  Terror!
You're goddamn right Margaret Sanger joined socialists, anarchists, rebels, those resisting the corporatization of American society and its domination by Big Business.  People struggling for workers' rights?  Terrorists!  Do you know why we have some rights for workers in America?  Rules about workplace safety?  Collective bargaining?  Work hours?  Child labor?  You can thank socialists, anarchists, progressives. 
Was business-police-private security violence against American workers during Sanger's era terror?  The Right always likes to sweep their far worse violence under the carpet while exaggerating and shining a light on left-wing "terror," just one more method of discrediting any resistance to domination and authority.   
Despite right-wing attempts to define the language, the word 'radical' is not pejorative.  It means people getting to the root of matters and opposing oppression and injustice head-on.  Margaret Sanger was a really groovy revolutionary chick who unfortunately latched onto some of the eugenics arguments floating around at the time.  She was not alone.  Which radical Marxist terrorist organizations funded the American eugenics movement?  How about the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Harriman railroad fortune?  Eugenics was considered mainstream science in the United States and studied in major universities.  Doc Bill writes as if Margaret Sanger and a small group of anarchists were solely responsible for promoting eugenics in opposition to mainstream attitudes.  Wrong.  Eugenics was as American as apple pie for decades before WWII (and even after unfortunately, take a look at the eugenics program in North Carolina through the late 1970s!).  Compared to many in the movement advocating euthanasia and forced sterilization, Sanger's positions were rather moderate and her attachment to eugenics was a small component of her much larger project to prevent unwanted pregnancies, children born into disadvantaged circ-umstances and so forth.  Many states enacted forced sterilization legislation validated by Supreme Court decisions, policies Sanger opposed..  It was not Margaret Sanger but the Rockefeller Foundation that funded German eugenics programs.  So, ya know, nice try with the efforts to vilify Sanger and the Left but, again, take a look at the big institutions of American society, the war machine, the rich, the powerful, and the total history of eugenics in America.  Thank you.

Peace       "

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 15 @ 06:54:10 EDT (12 reads)
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 best idea

Anonymous writes "I am all for limiting doc bull and the empress form having any kids. That is progressive and game changing. "

Posted by hostmaster on Monday, April 14 @ 08:04:03 EDT (19 reads)
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 John Lennon, "Famous wife beater"?

StuffAnonymous writes "Sounds like a thinly veiled Doc Bill post.  First we have "Eugenics Queen" Margaret Sanger and now "famous wife beater" John Lennon.  I do begin sentences with conjunctions consciously because I consider it an act of defiance.  Stylistic choices are one thing, clearly misusing and misspelling words is something else.  There is no excuse in my mind to use "you're" when you mean "your." 
And yes, it is especially lonely in a city like Oswego.  And the United States as a whole is generally frustrating given the large numbers of mean-spirited right-wing people ruining the culture and the society.  In this country one has to argue with people who deny the human-caused climate crisis, who make excuses for plutocracy and oligarchy, who think gun ownership is the most important political issue, who get all moralistic about "killing babies" via abortion but sit and applaud and "support the troops" as the U.S. military slaughters actual living, breathing human children with drones and bombs and bullets the world over century after century [is this sentence long enough for ya?]  You hafta argue with unevolved people with gun fetishes, who care little if schoolchildren are shot to death.  It is frustrating as someone who has never owned, held, shot a gun to live amongst cavemen who will vote for plutocracy and corporate destruction of the planet because of one stupid issue.  It's frustrating that in America we can't have an intelligent politics because Republicans still believe in "God," and still think the 2nd Amendment is relevant and somehow evolves to include assault weapons but the rest of the Constitution is not a living doc-ument, and still hate minorities and immigrants (even though every Republican is a descendent of immigrants ... and today's "illegal" immigrants escaping U.S.-imposed misery in Central America aren't committing genocide to move here unlike the original immigrants who took about 250 years to wipe out Native American civilization from sea to shining sea and turn this beautiful land into a transcontinental commercial cesspool.)  

And by the way, John Lennon was f***ing awesome.  Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream.  It is not dying, it is not dying.  Lay down all thought, surrender to the void, it is shining, it is shining. 

Peace  "

Posted by hostmaster on Monday, April 14 @ 08:03:42 EDT (5 reads)
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 Have some guts...

CommunityAnonymous writes "Since no one on this board seems to have any guts when they openly bash or slander another person, I figure this is the only way to respond to the same. 

Just because YOU have had a bad experience with a person, business, or official; don't slam them on a public board because you don't have the guts to say it openly to others, or to their face no less. 

There are things called slander and libel laws.  Or, you can go old-school, drop the second-grade-kiddie-behind-the-keyboard-crap and say it in public, get your a$$ kicked for running your ridiculous mouth, and call it a day. 

It's boards like this that need to be shut down permanently - or be renamed growuposwego.com instead of insideoswego.com.....
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Note: Sorry but I think you meant to post on Oswego Lion as that is there agenda not ours. If we are mistaken please let us know so that we can address it. Thank You.

Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, April 13 @ 05:32:00 EDT (22 reads)
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 Peace and the Redneck

GovernmentAnonymous writes "Its interesting how Peace will submit a post as an illiterate redneck Conservative, then the very next day will post a long winded response to his own post. Laughable Peace.
"

Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, April 13 @ 05:25:53 EDT (16 reads)
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 RE: Margaret Sanger

GovernmentAnonymous writes "Well, it didn't take long for peace to revert to old habits and respond to my post after saying, again, that he was finished doing so. He just cannot help himself especially when I reveal the truth about one of the icons progressives worship.

I have no doubt that reading one of the sanitized biographies of Margaret Sanger one would find little if any mention of her eugenics or racist beliefs. Remember when Hillary described herself as a classic progressive from the early 20th century? She was either ignorant of the real progressivism of the time or figured that most people wouldn't bother to check them out. Even if they did Hillary undoubtedly counted on the sanitized versions of progressivism to be the only resource anyone wool find.

Keep in mind that there are very few people who are 100% good or 100% evil. We are all mixtures of the two extremes and fortunately the vast majority of us tend to the good side of the equation. However, even those who have shown themselves to be closer to the evil side didn't necessarily start out that way.

Stalin started out with a religious education and either began or contemplated entering the priesthood. (I don't remember and haven't taken the time to double check that so I leave it to the reader to do so.) In any event we know how he turned out - as one of the greatest mass murderers in history, murdering nearly 50 million of his own people including some 12 Ukrainians in only 18 months from 1931-33 through starvation, the gulag and outright executions.

Look at a picture of Hitler as a young boy and he is a cute as any other boy of his time. Again we know how he turned out - he started a war that cost the lives of some 50 million people with at least 12 million of them slaughtered in murder factories especially built for the job.

However, in both cases Stalin and Hitler did some great things for their respective countries. A biography of either could be written to maximize their positive accomplishments and minimize their atrocities. The same could be said of Mao, probably the worst of the lot being responsible for the murder of up to 100 million of his people. Mao helped defeat the invading Japs and defeated the Nationalists fighting them both before WWII and after. Let us not forget Mussolini who was the lesser of the four but still quite evil in his own way. At least he supposedly got the trains to run on time.

Again, I am not surprised that any biography of Sanger would minimize any negative associations she had with any of these radical groups but those associations cannot and must not be ignored. While Sanger did some good with her efforts in regard to the rights of women, which I made reference to in my original post, her reasons for supporting these efforts were not as pure as progressives would have us believe. She and the other progressives of the time hid their racism in the generalities of their rhetoric but it is plainly there if you bother to look and think.
Doc Bill
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Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, April 13 @ 05:25:40 EDT (18 reads)
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 Sanger? really? Mr. Bill

Anonymous writes "Eugenics should be used to control conservatives. Insert conservative in all of Sanger's quote and then you have something! "

Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 12 @ 04:51:58 EDT (27 reads)
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 Margaret Sanger

GovernmentParanoid writes "Margaret Sanger (1879 – 1966) was a birth control, population control, and eugenics activist. She changed the world, but for the worse.



By 1911, Sanger had moved to New York City, where she became heavily influenced by anarchist, socialist, and labor activists. She began joining and participating in radical groups and causes. In March 1914, Sanger published the first issue of her own paper, The Woman Rebel. Along with providing information about birth control, Sanger wholeheartedly supported the use of violence to achieve political, economic, and social goals. Case in point, the Lexington Avenue bombing. On July 4th of that year, a bomb accidentally exploded in a Harlem apartment, killing three men and one woman. The three men were planning to bomb the home of industrialist John D. Rockefeller, but the bomb exploded prematurely. The plan was devised at the Ferrer Center, an educational institution, which also served as the meeting place for a movement of radicals. Sanger lectured at the institution, and was active in the movement. After the failed terrorist attempt, Sanger wrote a commentary, calling the deaths a display of “courage, determination, conviction, a spirit of defiance.” She argued the “real tragedy” was “the cowardice and the poisonous respectability” of the movement’s leaders who offered apologies, rather than defiance, for the episode. Sanger urged those in the movement to “accept and exult in every act of revolt against oppression,” including terrorist acts. She also published a complementary article that defended the assassination of political or industrial leaders.



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Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 12 @ 04:51:36 EDT (23 reads)
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 Illiterate response to 2016

Anonymous writes "You forgot to mention the education system failing you because you can't even form a sentence, paragraph or ues any kind of punctuation or capitalization. You sure you're "merican?" You are typical of the new right, thank you for confirming. Stupid, illiterate, closed minded, racist, raging, hate filled, irrational, and easily led. 

No ammo? you really should not have any ammo or guns as dumb as you are. 
"

Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 12 @ 04:51:25 EDT (13 reads)
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 Right-wing Vilification of Barack Obama

GovernmentAnonymous writes "How do we describe politics in America?  Gore Vidal put it this way: "We have one party in the United States, the Business Party, or the Property Party.  We have one party with two right-wings."
Barack Obama has been basically an ineffective forgettable president at a time when the country desperately needed an FDR or LBJ ...  a Democrat who could twist arms and get s*** done.  If he wasn't a black man, if he wasn't the first black president, much of the racist vilification of the man (see yesterday's post addressed to "libtard") would take the form of the sort of irrational criticisms Republicans threw at Bill Clinton, the sort of moderate Republican "Democrat" Obama most resembles.  Aside from Obamacare, a very tepid reform, a plan formerly supported by Republicans as an alternative to genuine universal healthcare programs, what has Obama really accomplished?  Whence all the right-wing rage?
Republicans like to reduce everything to the individual as if history begins anew every time a new president takes office.  The fact of the matter is that Obama became president in the wake of the Great Recession, the worst economic crisis since the 1930's.  Without bold action, without a workable Congress, neither Obama nor any president was going to accomplish much of anything to resuscitate the economy.  So Obama continued the Bush policy to bail out the bankers and the superrich, continued to shrink the middle-class, sat idly as poverty gradually increased, and managed the tightening of corporate strangulation of American government and society.  Any liberal or progressive agenda Obama may have had (I don't know that there's any evidence Obama actually had such an agenda given his main backing came from Wall Street and his policies, if you can call American government policies from 2009-present "Obama's" even though Republicans have still continued to dominate policy options, reflected Wall Street's priorities) was more or less blocked by the Republican Party in Congress.  The combination of the historical process Obama inherited, namely the devastation wrought by the Great Recession, and the complete intransigence of a Republican Party that simply does not accept the legitimacy of Democratic Party administration in the United States, and Obama's own personal weakness (as opposed to, again, FDR and LBJ) has made for a presidency short on progress.
Of course there have been some achievements around the edges - LGBT rights, state-level marijuana initiatives (despite peculiarly strong anti-marijuana policies from Obama's administration).  But overall Obama's presidency can hardly be regarded as progressive.  Wall Street profits at an all-time high, drones slaughtering innocents all over predominantly Muslim populations, civil liberties under assault, massive government surveillance programs, continued FBI targeting of left-wing citizens' organizations (peace groups and so forth), American support for the right-wing government in Colombia and continued embargo against Cuba and demonization of the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela alongside general opposition to the Latin American Spring which has seen pro-American right-wing governments replaced by popular democratic governments all over Latin America in recent years.  Obama's America has seen the rich get richer and the rest get poorer, the corporate devastation of the environment continuing despite empty rhetorical gestures (the US under Obama continues to actively scuttle international efforts to really address the climate crisis), sustained massive military, empire and surveillance programs. 
I do give Obama some credit for negotiating with Iran and winding down American aggression in Iraq and the intervention in Afghanistan.  It seems that John Kerry did his best to twist Mahmoud Abbas' arm into accepting an historic defeat on the Palestinian people while irritating the Israelis by requiring them to at least give the illusion that they are negotiating.  But Obama continues longstanding U.S. policy to act as Israel's protector, shielding it from UN Security Council resolutions requiring Israel to comply with international law.  Israel's illegal colonization of the Occupied Palestinian Territories has continued under Obama, with US taxpayer support.  The question of Israel's nuclear weapons stockpile is unmentionable in U.S. officialdom despite the fact that the existence of those weapons alongside Israel's belligerent rhetoric and threats against Iran, and Israel's expansionist policies opposed by the entire world outside of the United States, is the main factor pushing Iran towards developing a nuclear capacity to deter American or Israeli attack.  Obama and Kerry have done nothing to exert genuine pressure on Israel to make concessions, to release Palestinian prisoners, to withdraw to the internationally recognized 1967 borders (despite the fact that even those borders represent an immense injustice against the Palestinians), to stop the illegal settlement programs, and so on. 
I just struggle to understand why right-wing Americans hate Obama so much.  I mean Wall Street has benefitted immensely, Muslims are being slaughtered by drones at unprecedented levels, the environment is under assault, civil liberties are continuing to erode, the U.S. is still aligned with right-wing dictatorships and subverting democracy all over the world ... I mean what is there to complain about?  The man is half-black?  What impact has that had on public policy?  African Americans were disproportionately poor, jobless and imprisoned before Obama, African Americans will be disproportionately poor, jobless and imprisoned after Obama.  The man is a Muslim?  Well, he isn't, but even if he was, what has the impact been on America?  Did Obama find and kill Osama bin Laden?  Did he kill Anwar al-awliki?  Has he not increased the use of drones?  Has he changed longstanding U.S. support for the Saudi monarchy and the rest of the Persian Gulf dictatorships and opposed democracy for Muslims?  Nothing has changed under Obama.  He's done nothing about the Israeli blockade of Gaza, he's imposed sanctions on Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are still on the U.S. list of terrorist organizations.  He overthrew Gaddhafi.  Would Ronald Reagan not have applauded that?  What, prey tell, all you people who are scared to death that the "gay Muslim Marxist" is "destroying Murrica," has Obama actually done to substantiate your irrational paranoid condemnations of the man?
Obama's almost done.  His ineffective presidency has basically run its course, gridlock in Washington is as entrenched as ever and will probably be more so after Republicans buy most of the contests in November, all you Obama haters can rest easy knowing that either Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush will soon rescue America from "black Muslim rule."  And he hasn't even replaced the Constitution with Sharia law despite his sincerest efforts.  Dagnabbit!

Peace     "

Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 12 @ 04:51:15 EDT (25 reads)
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 Margaret Sanger

StuffAnonymous writes "I suggest people read a biographical essay on Margaret Sanger to get the totality of the woman.  Bill's inflation of the eugenics issue is typical manipulation on his part.  He's misrepresenting and distorting Sanger's ideas and taking quotations out of context.  Bill will stop at nothing to vilify socialists, rebels, progressives and visionaries.  Sanger's efforts to advocate and popularize contraception was an important contribution in the historical process to liberate women.  Naturally Bill opposes that as he opposes any progress in human affairs.  He's a silly, silly man.
Peace    "

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, April 11 @ 05:01:56 EDT (25 reads)
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 To Doc Bill

Anonymous writes "The sign of intelligence is that you are constantly wondering. Idiots are always dead sure about every damn thing they are doing in their life. ~Vasudev"

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, April 11 @ 05:01:43 EDT (19 reads)
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 close 2016 about obama

CommunityAnonymous writes "Obama has messed up alot of things!!!!!"

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, April 11 @ 05:01:21 EDT (17 reads)
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