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Anonymous writes "From: Campus Wide Announcement List <announce-list@ls.oswego.edu>
Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:09 PM
Subject: Tobacco Free 2015
To: announce-list@ls.oswego.edu

SUNY Oswego will make the healthy choice and go tobacco free on January 1, 2015, everywhere on campus. This will include tobacco use in any vehicle on college premises. In our efforts to support the educational mission of the college and to provide a safe, clean and healthy working, living and learning environment, the college will provide cessation assistance and resources to members of the campus community who wish to stop smoking or using tobacco in any form. We'll also support exercise and nutritional changes to help all of us enjoy the vitality and freedom that a smoke- and tobacco-free lifestyle affords. In accepting the recommendation of the campuswide Clean Air Committee -- meeting since the fall of 2011 to consider the evolution of college smoking policy -- SUNY Oswego takes this opportunity to make a dramatic but well-supported statement on behalf of all college citizens: No degree of secondhand smoke is safe, no amount of smoking-related pollution is acceptable, and any form of tobacco use is damaging to health and is highly addictive. To find helping resources online and to view the college's complete tobacco-free rationale, the upcoming new policy on tobacco use, links to resources, research and other support to help us count down to 2015, visit Oswego.edu/OzQuits. The significant lead time until January 1 will afford us an opportunity to redouble our efforts to provide information and to give tobacco users time to explore the range of cessation options through the Mary Walker Health Center, the Lifestyles Center and other public and private resources dedicated to kicking the habit. SUNY Oswego is in good company in announcing the coming of a tobacco-free college. More than 810 colleges and universities nationwide have taken the step, and nearly 1,200 are now smoke free. Our college has done its own homework: a campuswide survey, focus groups and other input from constituencies across college; talks with other institutions of higher education; and marshaling research from the Centers for Disease Control, U.S. Surgeon General, NY Quits, American Cancer Society and many others. One among many numbers stands out: Smokers understand the dangers, and nearly 70 percent report that they want to quit. A tobacco-free college community is the right thing to do -- for all of us. It is consistent with our commitment to the health and wellness of all our citizens, our learner-centered culture and our global responsibility. Let's begin celebrating a healthier SUNY Oswego today and be completely tobacco free by 2015. Deborah F. StanleyPresident


Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, April 23 @ 05:35:54 EDT (9 reads)
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 Earth Day

GovernmentAnonymous writes "I suppose all of you econazis knocked yourselves out on Tuesday celebrating Earth Day. Obama and the EPA celebrated it by burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel adding hundreds of not thousands of tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

Though it might, it should not come as a surprise to you econazis that 22 April is also the birthday of vladimir Ilyich Lenin. He was born in 1870. Though the Earth Day founders claim it is only a coincidence that they picked that day it strains credibility that they just happened to pick the 100 year anniversary of Lenin's birth as their big day.

When Glenn Beck held his 2010,"Restoring Honor" rally in D.C. progressives got all bent out of shape because it was held on 28 August, the same day of the year that M. L. King gave is Dream speech in 1963. The progressives seem to think that they own 28 August and anyone wishing to do something on that day in D.C. has to get their approval. 

The progressives didn't believe in coincidence then yet they want us to believe in it now. They cannot have it both ways. 

I do not doubt that 22 April 1970, was specifically picked to surreptitiously honor of Lenin, maybe as an inside joke on the rest of us. Whatever their reason it was far from coincidence.
Doc Bill

Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, April 23 @ 05:34:53 EDT (3 reads)
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 Paranoid's Climate Post

GovernmentParanoid writes " Peace, I am not a right wing fox news watching republican.   I do not watch any TV news, I unplugged from that propaganda brain washing machine a long time ago, it's obvious you have not. I do not subscribe to the two party system as they are the same, corrupt lying thieving traitors....

I hate seeing what has been done to this world (pollution, hunger, poverty, endless wars) but your love for the democrats does not negate their complacency and guilt in being part of the problem. As to climate change, you seem like you might be intelligent enough to see that all of this chicken little hysteria is a big money making scam.

Peace, your right, I do not believe in democracy, democracy is noting more then two wolfs and a sheep trying to decide whats for dinner. This country was founded on being a republic.... but has been degraded to what you see today by both party's.

Your socialistic ideas/beliefs are part of the problem, true free markets, zero aggression, liberty and freedom are all that will save this world. Not wealth distribution and debt slavery nor holding hands and singing kumbaya....

No Peace, I am not a republican/democrat, (and they do not need to be capitalized because they do not deserve that respect) I am a Anarchist,:

Anarchism: The philosophy of a new social order based on liberty unrestricted by man-made law; the theory that all forms of government rest on violence, and are therefore wrong and harmful, as well as unnecessary." "Anarchism, then, really stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion; the liberation of the human body from the dominion of property: liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. Anarchism stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals for the purpose of producing real social wealth; an order that will guarantee to every human being free access to the earth and full enjoyment of the necessities of life, according to individual desires, tastes, and inclinations."

I could go on an on, but will refrain for now......

Paranoid "

Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, April 23 @ 05:34:09 EDT (3 reads)
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 "I'm a conservative" = "I'm an idiot"

GovernmentAnonymous writes "All self-proclaimed conservatives share one invariable characteristic: they just don't think very well.  It's frustrating because we could live in such a better country and a better world if not for large numbers of these so-called conservatives.
Exhibit A: the person who considers himself conservative and wants limited government (oh, Republicans see to it that government for people is very limited, government for the rich and powerful? no limits ... example, the American people suffer immensely from the Great Recession.  Do they get bailed out? Nah.  Wall Street and the rich bankers cause the recession and commit all sorts of crimes.  They get unlimited largesse from the "limited government."  Yippee conservatism!)

Whenever anyone says something like, "I don't want the guvmint in charge a mah health care!" what they mean, apparently, is "I want private for-profit insurance companies and Wall Street and private profit-maximizing corporations in charge a mah health care!"  They also mean, "I don't want guvmint interfering with private insurance company profit and I don't want guvmint to try to do anything about the fact that Americans spend twice as much as other similar societies on healthcare and get worse health outcomes."  In other words, the "conservative" is essentially saying, "I hate democratic action.  I don't want to live in a society in which the people of the country can use government to make life better.  I want expensive inefficient for-profit healthcare.  I want the private insurance companies to keep acc-umulating profits and siphoning big money from the health system.  I don't want government to try to make healthcare more widely available to the citizens of the country and I don't want the government to try to make healthcare more affordable for me and my family and my fellow citizens.  I want private, rapacious, unaccountable corporate tyrannies to run my healthcare system."

I mean if anyone can explain why in hell anybody would want to live in that ^ "conservative" society I'd be very interested.  But I never see arguments.  All I see is the mindless regurgitation of either Rush Limbaugh or Fox News or Republican Party talking points.  Why can't "conservatives" try thinking for themselves instead of simply taking a script provided to them by the defenders of wealth and privilege?  "Conservatives" are responsible for the ridiculous state we find ourselves in.  We should be on the verge of revolution against the corporate state and yet half the population, the "conservatives," are enthusiastically screaming, "more power to the powerful!  more inequality!  more carbon emission! more policies benefitting the very few and screwing the majority!"  At some point you have to just call it what it is: stupid.  Conservatives are stupid.  It's a shame.  They have brains, they can read, they can learn to think.  What is the goddamn obstacle?  

And "conservatives" also seem to like to deflect attention from American crimes and point to the savagery of other societies.  What is the logic in that?  We are citizens of the United States.  We can hope to influence the policies of the United States.  Some of us think aggression, torture, mass killing, drone terror, an empire of foreign bases, support for major human rights violating-regimes like Israel and Colombia and Saudi Arabia, arms dealing, CIA subversion of democratic governments, are not characteristics of a society we should accept.  It might make ya feel good to condemn policies in Nigeria or the Roman Empire but such condemnations have zero moral content given the fact that American citizens are not the agents of change in those societies, they are the agents of change, potentially, in American society.  Conservatives obviously are well-adjusted to injustice in the United States and even defend it.  "We" can torture and kill because other societies have done it.  Why is that an excuse?  Why should we torture or kill or carry out any moral atrocity even if every other society does it or has done it?  And some crimes are uniquely American.  The continental-wide genocide of Native American civilization is a pretty severe crime.  American slavery and its consequences right up to the present is a 400-year crime.  If conservatives don't like reading surely they can watch "12 Years A Slave" to get a good idea of what slavery was like and what kind of country this was not so very long ago.  The United States unnecessarily dropped atomic bombs on civilians, twice, the only society savage enough to have made that choice.  The United States has terrorized the people of Iraq since the early 1990's through war, a genocidal sanctions regime (see Joy Gordon's Invisible War: The United States and the Iraq Sanctions), and a second more brutal war and occupation and torture regime.  For conservatives to argue we should ignore or minimize or justify America's most horrific policies and point the spotlight elsewhere is to announce their complicity in, and support of, those policies.  Do conservatives want "limited government" as regards U.S. intervention in every foreign dispute?  Republicans in Congress (and some Democrats showing how the rot is indeed bipartisan) are actually arguing Obama is not doing enough to support the coup regime in Ukraine.  Why doesn't the United States simply leave the situation alone?  We have 3 million long-term unemployed begging for help, begging for an extension of unemployment benefits.  The government is limited for its actual struggling citizens, victims of corporate capitalism.  But Ukraine?  Spare no expense! 
Finally, the new conservative poster gets "a kick" out of the fact that some American citizens criticize the society while they "enjoy all that it has to offer."  Has a clearer expression of totalitarian sensibility ever been expressed?  Apparently conservatives think no American should dare criticize or draw attention to injustice within the society.  This is why people are increasingly comparing the Republican Party and Republicans to fascists.  They have a fascist mentality.  Many of us think democracy inherently involves citizens struggling for a more just society ... in order to do that you have to discuss the injustices.  Conservatives want none of it.  If you are working 3 minimum-wage jobs for corporate masters and living a completely soulless existence with little freedom you should shut up, follow orders and do it with a smile.  If the United States puts more of its "free" people in prison than any other country, even "dictatorships" like China who have a billion more people and don't imprison as many of their citizens as does the US of A, you should shut up and follow orders and enjoy all this wonderful society, this perfect society, has to offer.

Conservatives, I hate to put it this way, are stupid.  They are stupid unthinking people and they are destroying all that America could be and doing their damnedest to impose it on the wider world too.  Conservatives suck and should really entertain the notion of not being conservatives anymore as soon as is humanly possible.  Thank you.



Posted by hostmaster on Wednesday, April 23 @ 05:33:53 EDT (3 reads)
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Anonymous writes "     I consider myself a conservative but I do not believe in "no government", I believe government should be limited, that's all. I think the government is NOT the group we want controlling the health care system, just look at how Medicaid and Medicare are so easily abused. I believe the poor should be helped, as long as they at least attempt to help themselves and not just live off the system. I think neighborhoods, towns, churches, can and do help. I believe that we need immigration reform, not because I hate Mexicans but because I think if someone wants to become a citizen of the US they should follow the rules, pretty simple. I believe that foreign affairs are important to the extent that savagery and genocide should be stopped, a semblance of peace should be in everyone's interest, and yes, economic reasons are valid if its in the best interest of the people involved.
    I get a kick out of people who condemn this country while they still enjoy all that it has to offer. Any idiot can make a list of all the "wrongs" we have perpetrated on the world, but they always fail to mention all of the good we have done. Look at history, the Romans, the British Empire, the Greeks, the Chinese, all of them at one point in their history have invaded and occupied and eventually decimated entire cultures, but it is only our short history that is condemned and used as the example.

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 22 @ 05:45:58 EDT (21 reads)
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 Hosted a child abuse fundraiser

Anonymous writes "And then 48 hours later, you both end up on a Florida cruise. hmmmm"

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 22 @ 05:45:47 EDT (17 reads)
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 Exact Answers To All The Troubles In The World

StuffAnonymous writes ""Here's a piece of advice about asking a question: try and narrow it down a bit, try and make it more incisive ... you give me too much to choose from." - Christopher Hitchens
Even though I can go on at length, I don't think I can submit an exhaustive response to the question, "What exactly is [my] answer to all the troubles in the world today," in this forum.  First, we would have to agree on what the troubles are. 
But since I was asked I'll say a few things. 

1) On the problem of the climate crisis: stop emitting so many fossil fuels.  The United States could decide to join the rest of the world in developing a global agreement which would significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions and convince other large countries which have followed the American development model, China, India and so forth to reverse course for the good of the planet and the long-term viability of the human species.  It seems to me that Americans could play a role in that by withdrawing all support for the Republican Party immediately and doing the same if Democrats proved unwilling to take serious action in defense of the planet and the species.
*of course many scientists claim that it might already be too late, that we might have already done sufficient damage and that catastrophic climate change is irreversible.  Obviously we should still act according to the idea that saving our planet/species is possible and do so immediately.

2) On War: The United States should fold up its global empire, close all foreign military bases, dismantle its weapons industry and stop being the world's pre-eminent arms dealer.  The United States should also comply with international law enshrined in the U.N. Charter which states that nations can only engage in war if they are responding to direct or imminent attack or if the action has the authorization of the U.N. Security Council.  Further, the U.S. should stop its rogue activities by joining international treaties and conventions.  The U.S. should have a decent respect for the opinions of mankind by, for example, ending its cruel embargo of Cuba (while the U.S. actively supports far more repressive regimes all over the world and in Latin America).  The U.N. General Assembly votes every year to condemn and demand an end to the continued U.S. blockade of Cuba.  The last vote in October 2013 was 188-2 (U.S. and Israel, alone as usual against overwhelming world opinion).  There are dozens of examples where the U.S. is alone or virtually alone in its policies.  You can do your own research.

3) On Social Equality:  The United States could immediately shift from a society organized to produce massive economic and social inequality to one which pursues democracy and equality.  That would solve quite a lot of the other problems which grow directly out of the fact that special interest groups (e.g. the rich, Wall Street, military-industry, etc.) run the United States and determine its policies instead of the American people.  The American people themselves have responsibilities of course.  They are not educated enough and freethinking enough to transcend decades, centuries in fact, of pro-capitalist, pro-war, pro-pollution, pro-greed, pro-selfishness and myriad other sorts of propaganda.  The people need to improve.  Right now Americans are obviously too obedient, too indoctrinated, too confused and too distracted to do much in the way of revolutionary change. 

Obviously there's sooooo much more to say but the point is that solutions are out there, there are things that could be done immediately that would go a long way towards a healthy beginning.  But I'm not an optimist.  I remain hopeful, as long as humans exist we could think and act in radically different ways.  Unfortunately, I don't see any evidence that Americans are much inclined to do anything other than following their bosses' orders, trying to have a bit of fun when they're not working, wrecking the environment, transferring wealth upwards, applauding state violence and cheering the apocalypse. 


Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, April 22 @ 05:45:25 EDT (5 reads)
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 Mr. Bill's nonsensical responses

Anonymous writes "No one wants to debate you Mr. Bill because you're so set in your dinosaur philosophy it doesn't do anything to argue with a bull headed, old, bitter curmudgeon. You just come back with your tired old rhetoric conservative negative obstruction baloney. Just one thing on Easter for you hypocrite conservatives. Jesus helped the poor, fed the needy, healed the sick...mmm sounds like a liberal.   "

Posted by hostmaster on Monday, April 21 @ 06:24:49 EDT (19 reads)
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 Re: Paranoid's Climate Post

StuffAnonymous writes "Another right-wing, Fox News, Republican Party, fossil fuel industry, pro-pollution post, this time from someone called Paranoid (who is indeed paranoid).

Look, any argument on behalf of the notion of a hoax as regards climate change is nothing more than service to the plutocracy and corporate guardians of the status quo.  You may think you're really clever and original but actually you're serving the interests of Exxon Mobil.  You're not a "republican/democrat" [those words need capitalization when referring to the American political parties, otherwise you're announcing you don't support democracy] yet you proffer ideas identical to the irrational and apocalyptic Republican Party position.  You don't believe in government?  Well, then you obviously would prefer to live in an outright corporate dictatorship given the fact that government is the only tool Americans have to protect themselves from the injustices inherent under industrial and financial capitalism.  That's why Rand Paul and his dad are so frustrating ... they have a lot right on the foreign policy part, their antiwar, anti-imperial positions.  But their domestic ideas are just savage and would lead toward an Ayn Rand-like corporate hell that no sane person could possibly support.  I do admire Paranoid's attempt at discrediting the two-party system and that ultimately money rules the United States.  But a big reason "the world is turning to crap" is because of the manmade climate crisis and the efforts of corporate America to convince impressionable people that the interests of Exxon Mobil surpass the interests of all current and future generations of human beings (which there won't be many of if the machine grinds on). 

Peace "

Posted by hostmaster on Monday, April 21 @ 06:24:38 EDT (22 reads)
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 100 Ways Republicans Are Just Like Democrats

GovernmentParanoid writes "There is a widely-held perception that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are drastically different in their policy, proposals, philosophy of government, and general modus operandi. While there are certainly some significant differences between the two parties, the number of similarities are astounding.


Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, April 20 @ 06:57:48 EDT (28 reads)
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GovernmentAnonymous writes "So Peace, what exactly is your answer to all the troubles in the world today? How would someone such as yourself, who is obviously so much smarter than the rest of us, go about saving mankind? Lets hear some real ideas, not just your typical socialist rant.

Posted by hostmaster on Sunday, April 20 @ 06:57:13 EDT (30 reads)
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 RE: Hypocrites

GovernmentAnonymous writes "Another progressives who believes trotting out all the old progressives talking points will win the debate. Such immature and uninformed actions gain you nothing.

Why do you opposed requiring people to prove they are eligible to vote with a photo ID? Everybody has them because you can no longer live without them as was done in the past. It must be that you progressives believe that minorities, blacks and hispanics, are too stupid to know how to obtain a photo ID! Why am I required to show a photo ID when purchasing a firearm? This is a right also guaranteed by the Constitution. The standards should be the same of all of these rights!

As I recently posted there is mounting evidence of massive voter fraud with tens of thousands registered to vote in multiple states. We have counties where there are more registered voters than people over 18! In some cases more votes were cast then here were registered voters! But, to you progressives this isn't a problem. Do you think it is right and/or legal for illegal aliens to vote? They have no stake in this country and have not made a commitment by becoming a citizen so why should they be allowed to vote?

The Obama administration is the hypocrite when it comes to equal pay by paying the women less than the men. Then they try to explain that difference talking about education, experience, etc. all of the same things that cause differences in pay for women in the private sector. That 77% figure that Obama threw around was discredited long ago but those of you who believe everything your lord and master says don't bother to check such things out.

Conservatives have never supported denying people health care. Apparently you do not understand the difference between HEALTH CARE and HEALTH CARE INSURANCE! NO ONE can be turned away from any hospital because they are unable to pay for the care. THAT IS THE LAW! Even ObamaCare will not give everyone health care insurance according to the CBO report. And on top of that, for those who have Obamacare insurance now the plans are so bad that they will still be paying thousands of dollars every year before the "benefits" kick in. Of course, if you're one of those who gets a subsidy from the taxpayers then you probably done give a damn how much it all costs because you're not really paying for it. 

More and more people who currently have ObamaCare insurance, especially those with life threatening diseases, are discovering that their medications, doctors and hospitals are not on the approved list. These people are terrified that they will be left to die by you supposedly caring progressives.

It is you progressives who view people through the prism of race, color, sex, etc. We Conservatives couldn't care less what color Obama is, WE OPPOSE HIS POLICIES! This is impossible for you racist, sexist, hate filled and angry progressives to understand. You do not comprehend the difference between and individual and his policies and so you do not comprehend how anyone can separate the two. 

When liberals were civil they used to say, just as Conservatives still do, "I disagree with your position but I will fight to the death to support your right to differ." Now that progressives have taken over the democrat party they want to eliminate all opposition just as all tyrants do. It isn't possible to have a civil disagreement with progressive because progressives are no longer civil!

Get your obamaton head out of the sewer of progressivism and learn the facts of what is going on around you. All you know is what they tell you. You are incapable of thinking for yourself as proved by your post. You do not have the basic understanding of what real human rights violations are yet you throw about such charges with abandon just because it sounds good and make you feel superior.

You need to educate yourself. It will not be easy especially when the truth goes against all those religiously held beliefs you've had for so long. Biting the bullet and doing this will open your eyes and mind to the reality that progressivism shuts out. If you don't do this and continue to wallow in the cesspool of progressivism you'll never understand what is going on around you and will wonder why things are not turning out as they told they would. Again, that is because none of this progressive crap works. 

The sad truth is that progressivism doesn't raise the living standards of anyone. All it does is lower the living standards of the majority of people not "in the in crowd." Sure, it makes most people equal but by spreading out the misery to most people, not eliminating the misery just as all socialistic policies have done every time they have been tried. This is part of the reason socialism never works!
Doc Bill

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classifiedsAnonymous writes "Thank you Peace, as a proud Progressive I appreciate the sanity of your posts as compared to the rantings of a lunatic!"

Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 19 @ 06:58:46 EDT (23 reads)
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 Climate Change Hoax

GovernmentParanoid writes "http://blog.heartland.org/2014/03/a-history-of-the-disastrous-global-warming-hoax/





• Censored portion of UN report leaked; says data exaggerated

By John Friend

 The recently released report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is comprised of an international group of scientists sponsored by the United Nations (UN), is extremely alarmist in nature, despite the fact that numerous top climate scientists have admitted that many of their “global warming” predictions were wrong or seriously exaggerated. The 36-page summary report, issued to governments and world leaders last week, contends: Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reductions in snow and ice, in global mean sea level rise, and in changes in some climate extremes. It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. The full 2,216-page report entitled “Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis,” “was accepted but not approved in detail,” whatever that means. The summary report goes say that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal” and that many of the changes “are unprecedented over decades to millennia.” The report also emphasizes that “human influence on the climate system is clear,” noting that “man-made climate change is almost certain,” according to a report by CNN.

I am not a republican/democrat nor am I a libertarian.   I do not believe in government.   I see fools go back and forth about which party is the best. Both R&D are nothing more the tyrannical elites pulling the wool over your foolish sheep eyes, the only difference between the idiots in government is how they tell their lies.  Follow the money if you dare to know the truth.  I don't believe for a min you will, you would rather debate while the would turns to crap.  And that's exactly what the elites want.  Your all slaves to the system.

By the way you can't hurt my feelings with you idle words!

Peace out......



Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 19 @ 06:58:20 EDT (41 reads)
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 Re: Doc Bill's Attempts at Defamation

CommunityAnonymous writes "I know I said I wouldn't respond to his idiotic screeds but when somebody starts in with the anti-Semitism business you really have to. 
I know everyone in Oswego did not take graduate level courses on the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict like I did but the information is widely available, it doesn't take a whole lot of study to understand what happened there and what continues to happen.  Basically we have a situation in which an immigrant group, Jews from mainly Europe, carried out a successful ethnic cleansing program against an indigenous population, the Palestinians (both Arab Muslim and Arab Christian).  Around the year 1900, Arabs constituted 95% of the population of Palestine.  By 1948, Jews comprised 33% of the population to the Palestinians' 67%.  After fighting a successful war for independence the Jews, now Israelis, ended up with 78% of the territory of Palestine.  These are what's called the 1967 borders.  In 1967, Israel conquered the rest of Palestine and continues to occupy the territory to this day.  The United Nations and international law considers the territories conquered in 1967 to be Occupied Palestinian Territories.  All legal rulings from the International Court of Justice, the world's highest legal authority, explain Israeli settlement on this land is illegal as the territories are Palestinian.  The Palestinians are trying to salvage 22% of their country for a state and Israel, with full U.S. diplomatic, military and economic support, is opposing Palestinian self-determination there in opposition to virtually the entirety of world opinion. 

Now, nothing in the above analysis is anti-Semitic.  Criticism of the policies of Zionists in the first half of the 20th Century and of the Israeli state since 1948 is not anti-Semitism.  Many supporters of Israeli conquest and settlement, like Doc Bill, strive to label critics of Israel as anti-Semitic in order to discredit legitimate critique of U.S. and Israeli policy.  There was a time when those attempts could work.  Those days are over.  Too much of the population knows too much about the reality of the conflict, too much work has been done in academia, in journalism, and by human rights organizations, for crude libel on the part of Israel's most zealous right-wing supporters to have any impact on the public mind.  Doc Bill still tries but his efforts are futile.

On his factual claims:  The Palestinians fled Israeli attack in 1947-48.  This is the origin of the Palestinian refugees.  I direct everyone to right-wing Israeli historian Benny Morris' work The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, both editions, for the best academic work on the subject.  Morris is a Zionist, an Israeli, and the authoritative academic voice on the topic.  I would also direct readers to Ilan Pappe's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine for a left-wing perspective of the same material.  Both the academic left and right agree that Arab commanders never ordered Palestinians to leave, that the vast majority of the refugees were escaping Israeli attack, both from the regular army and from Jewish paramilitary organizations like the Irgun and Stern Gang, terrorist organizations led by future Israeli prime ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir respectively.  In order for Zionism to achieve its aim of a Palestine free of Palestinians to enable the existence of a predominantly Jewish state, ethnic cleansing operations were inherent to the logic of Zionism.  In 1947 (before the invasion of neighboring Arab armies) and through the course of the 1948 war, Israel carried out the mass expulsion of Palestinian villages.  Doc Bill would agree if he was open-minded enough to study the topic outside of his narrow right-wing prism.

On the epithet which labels leftists "anti-American," and the idea of "anti-Americanism" in general, I must direct people to the following excerpt from Noam Chomsky (America's leading "anti-American" in Doc Bill/Fox News Land)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IixSeEgs6uo

And yes, I too oppose the savagery of "Islamofascist bastards."  I also oppose the savagery of the American Empire.  Despising the atrocities of your own society and calling attention to them is an act of patriotism.  Why doesn't Doc Bill move to Nigeria in order to struggle against the practices he seems to despise?  As an American interested in living in a more just America, I have work to do right here.  I mean if Jefferson and Washington and Adams and Franklin didn't love colonial America why didn't they move to some independent paradise?  Some people believe in struggling for justice in their own country. 


Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, April 19 @ 06:57:58 EDT (18 reads)
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Should the county give another PILOT agreement to the nuke plants to tax payers detriment?


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