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StuffAnonymous writes "NazIsrael ... now that says it all"

Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, August 23 @ 05:45:29 EDT (4 reads)
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 Torturing some folks, Beheading some folks, invasions, occupations and terror

CommunityAnonymous writes "To the author asking me to apologize to black police officers I'm going to need a bit more from you on why exactly I should do that? 

It was refreshing to read a post from Doc Bill which actually included some historical perspective, some acknowledgement of Christianity's "dark past" and Islam's past achievements.  I do have to disagree, however, with his basic position that Christianity=good and Islam=bad is more or less 100% true in this day and age.  See, most Americans, especially conservative Americans, are so eager to either ignore or justify American imperial violence [which is, after all, carried out predominantly by Christian politicians, Christian soldiers and a mostly Christian culture] that such sentiments are actually believed and respected.  Obviously the beheading of Foley is a horrific atrocity and is rightly condemned.  But let's not forget which society is still responsible for most of the violence, including violence against civilians.  If Americans actually saw what a U.S. drone does to human beings attending a wedding in Yemen for example they might not be so quick with the Christianity=good, Islam=bad conclusions.  U.S. terror in the form of drones and huge operations like the invasion of Iraq which set all of this horror in motion and included the "torturing of some folks" as the Christian George W. Bush ordered and the Christian Barack Obama so cavalierly acknowledged, is so much larger in scale and human victims than the Islamist terror that we are rightly appalled by.  Would it be appropriate for some ISIS official to announce "we beheaded some folks"?  Obviously beheading is terrible, but the Saudi state does it as a form of corporal punishment ... and the United States is closely allied to the Islamic fundamentalist Saudi absolute monarchy providing it with tens of billions of dollars in military equipment and doing business with it in the oil sector for decades.  Do Saudi state beheadings instill outrage and loud condemnation from the same American officials and citizens so eager to single out ISIS?  [And again, I'm not in anyway justifying, supporting, mitigating ISIS' crimes ... but if we're going to be serious, if we're going to be intellectually consistent, we have to explore the broader context within which ISIS is operating].

The fact is that the United States has done so much more violence against Muslim civilians than Muslim terror groups have done against American or Western European civilians.  The U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. drone campaign in Yemen, Pakistan, and throughout the region, the U.S. arming of Israel to massacre Palestinians, and on and on and on.  Americans have this peculiar propensity to ignore the larger historical and contemporary context and only focus on the violence "they" do against "us."  How does that do anything but ensure a perpetual cycle of violence?  Shouldn't we be trying to find solutions, peaceful solutions to these global problems? 

As far as the Palestinian flag being flown on the Brooklyn Bridge that's cool, an act of solidarity with the victims of injustice, I liken it to antiwar demonstrators in the 1960's flying the flag of the National Liberation Front in solidarity with the Vietnamese.  The struggle for Palestinian rights is global and it's a nice thing to see solidarity with the Palestinian cause in New York City [I lived there for 2 years, there's plenty of demonstrations in support of Israel and Israeli flags there too].  It's wrong for Benjamin Netanyahu and Doc Bill to try to blur the distinction between the righteous struggle of the Palestinians for human and political rights with groups like ISIS.  Remember, a sizeable minority of Palestinians are Christians or secular.  Just like not all Americans are Republican evangelicals, not all Palestinians are Hamas.  After the Cold War and the US policy to obliterate progressive Muslim organizations, socialist Muslim organizations, secular Muslim organizations, it is an unfortunate historical development that much of the Muslim resistance to Western imperial domination, to Arab dictatorships, to Israeli occupation takes the form of religious zealotry.  But there are non-violent forms of Palestinian civil disobedience and other movements in predominantly Islamic countries that just are not widely reported in the American corporate media, the sources from which most Americans get their so-called information.   
Again, Doc just throws around these labels like "Islamofascist" with such a broad stroke.  Where did Hamas come from?  Israel occupied the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem from 1967-1987 with no Hamas.  Hamas organized only in 1987 during the first Intifada and was supported by Israel as a counterweight to the secular nationalist PLO.  All the same rhetoric Israel applies now to Hamas was applied to the PLO then.  If it isn't clear that Israel simply doesn't want a Palestinian state, that Israel wants the West Bank, wants the whole of Jerusalem, wants to keep Gaza imprisoned then you're just not being honest.  What about Hezbollah?  Hezbollah formed in 1982 as a response to the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon.  Hezbollah is a Lebanese organization representing the Shiites who suffered under Israeli occupation from 1982-2006.  If Israel would simply be reasonable with the Palestinians and the rest of the region, accept the basic terms of the 2002 Saudi Peace Initiative and the 2-state settlement the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly votes for every year, exchange the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem for peaceful relations with all the Arab states and Iran, agree to compensate the Palestinian refugees, then we could move towards demilitarization and reduced tensions and peace in the Middle East.  But Israel and the United States have to make that choice, have to give up the Greater Israel settlement agenda and give up U.S. domination of that part of the world.  A lot of this is on us.  If we don't change then we're only going to know war, terror, and never-ending violence.



Posted by hostmaster on Saturday, August 23 @ 05:45:14 EDT (2 reads)
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StuffAnonymous writes "NazISIS......i think that says it all.

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 22 @ 08:15:09 EDT (9 reads)
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 Christianity v Islam

GovernmentAnonymous writes "First I would like to commend those muslims who have voiced their concern over and condemnation of ISIS. It is about time we hear from those who refer to themselves as moderates. However, there are still far too many who remain silent.

In a previous post, 13 August, Peace claims that I see that muslim=bad and Christian=good. Considering what is going on in the world today this isn't too far from being 100% true. I am not giving the way Christianity was forced upon people in the past millennium a pass for their ferocity by any means.

Christ's mandate to his Apostles was to go out and preach the truth. There was no mandate to force people to believe, that was up to each individual to accept of not. Unfortunately, zealots eventually went far beyond what was required. I suppose we could go back to Constantine and his vision of The Cross. Constantine went from a pagan to Christian literally overnight and just as the Pagan Roman Empire persecuted Christians it now persecuted those who were not Christian. Such zealotry is to be condemned no matter where it is found.

Anyway, there is no doubt that the history of persecution BY CHRISTIANS, from Constantine to the Inquisition an beyond, is also to be condemned for its brutality and inhumanity. That fallible humans have misinterpreted the teachings of Christ does not constitute a mark against what Christ stood for. Christianity is a religion of peace - "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Those who have not lived by this commandment form Christ himself are the evil ones not Christ or the religion founded on his teachings.

With islam there is a difference. First and foremost there is no combining the two as some are trying to do with the development of "Chrislam." Why? Simply because islam does not recognize Christ as the Son of God! That alone is sufficient to keep the two separated. Besides that, according to muslim interpretation of their prophets writings those chapters which come later in the koran hold precedence over the former ones. While some of the former passages speak about "people of the book," that book being the Bible and the people are the Jews and Christians, being believers later passages call for the murder of Jews and Christians who refuse to convert to islam. 

It appears that these are the passages which radical, islamofascist groups such as ISIS, hamas, hezbolla and others use for their justification to eliminate Israel, the Jews, the Christians and all others who refuse to convert.

Christianity's dark past must never be forgotten so we never repeat it and islam's current dark record must also not be forgotten for the same reason. If muslims can bring their religion to the 21st century and reject all those parts of the koran that call for the conquering and conversion of the whole world then their beliefs will be acceptable to the world. There is much good that muslims did in the past. They were the source for much learning while Europeans lived in squaller and ignorance. But, now it seems that muslims live in that same squaller and ignorance while the world has passed them by on all other fronts.

It is up to them to change the image of their beliefs and religion, not us. Until they do so those who are constantly on the attack will be the standard bearers for their beliefs and the vast majority of people on this planet will have no regard for them.

Finally, to the irrational moron who denigrates my comments about ISIS wanting to fly their flag over the White House, just remember that Chuck Hagel recently said that Isis is "beyond anything we've seen." The palestinian flag was recently hoisted atop the Brooklyn Bridge. Texas Representative Ted Poe believes that ISIS and the Mexican drug cartels are communicating and considering the porous nature of the southern border ISIS operatives would have little difficulty sneaking into the country. Texas Governor Perry warns that they may already be here!

Considering that the islamofascist bastard who murdered Foley had a British accent and an American already blew himself up over there and that far too many mosques ion America spout the islamofascist doctrine we must not be blind to the threats of such a group. They are far more capable of doing everything the say while most leaders agree that they already are far stronger and better situated to accomplish their terrorist agenda than al-quaeda was 13 years ago.

So, you can keep your head in the sand believing that they are the JV but the reality of the situation is just the opposite.
Doc Bill

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 22 @ 08:15:01 EDT (9 reads)
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 Wow, angry irrational Oswegonians

CommunityAnonymous writes "It's fascinating to read these people attempt ... what? humor? irony? criticism?  Yesterday we get two incredibly silly posts "peace the racist" and "ISIS" caricaturing me based on ...?  Yeah, I'm a racist ye who writes "this is a country ruled by white men, always has been and always will be, thank god for that."  Not only do we get white supremacy from this dizzying intellect but a little misogyny as well.  Was your labelling me a "racist" meant as a joke?  It's probably not the wisest thing to submit a racist post while trying to accuse somebody else of racism, especially when your accusation is self-evidently preposterous.  Congratulations for having no compassion whatsoever for the suffering of black people in America for the past 400 years.  You probably call yourself a Christian also given the obvious conservative tone of your trashy post.  Furthermore you "know" I have taken the side of ISIS.  How exactly do you know that?  Was it from the post where I denounced ISIS?  No you see it is possible to vehemently oppose U.S. imperial action in the Middle East since the 1940's while simultaneously opposing brutal, heinous, horrible organizations like ISIS.  I support democracy in the Middle East and everywhere else, freedom for the people, freedom from foreign domination and freedom from domestic tyranny (e.g. ISIS, the Saudi royal family, the Egyptian military dictatorship, the Jordanian monarchy and so on ... you'll notice that aside from ISIS, the others I mentioned are close U.S. friends and allies).

And just a note on race, racism, etc.  I struggle to understand what the author means by calling me a racist?  Apparently he doesn't know that racism entails an historical component of domination or supremacy.  White people in America can be racist, black people cannot.  There is no historical relationship of black people dominating white people in the United States so the term 'racism' does not apply.  There might be black people who viscerally don't like white people because of historical experience and resentment but 'racism' would not be the word/term/idea to apply to that circ-umstance. 

As far as the other post whose tone seems vaguely familiar again I wonder where this idea came from that I would somehow approve of a heinous inhuman act like the beheading of a journalist?  What white mob has been killing blacks?  Really?  I don't know have you ever heard of slavery?  Lynching?  The Ku Klux Klan?  Police brutality?  You ever hear of those things as historical and contemporary features of American society and the experience of African Americans within that society?  I was making a comparison between the obvious forms of domestic terrorism from whites against blacks through the past centuries (slavery, KKK, etc.) and the more subtle form by which armed whites continue to terrorize and kill black people, usually black men (e.g. the white police officer killing the unarmed black kid in Ferguson, Missouri).  But I guess my commentary really gets under the white skin of people like the "peace the racist" and "ISIS" authors.  Why don't I mention blacks killing blacks?  What relevance does it have?  Did African elites participate in the slave trade?  Yes.  Does that somehow exonerate white people from their participation in the trade?  The Middle Passage?  The brutality of American slavery?  The whippings, hangings, burnings, torture of black people?  Centuries of racism, white supremacy, discrimination, mass incarceration, the criminalization of black life in America?

As far as blacks "committing the vast majority of crimes in America," first of all it isn't true, second of all which dominant groups decide what the crimes are and where the police and prosecutorial resources go in combating certain types of crime?  You realize the land of the free, home of the brave imprisons more of its citizens than any other society in the history of the world?  You realize that people of color since the formal end of slavery and Jim Crow have been imprisoned en masse?  You realize that the police might focus a bit more on the activities of blacks and other minorities (and economically disadvantaged groups in general) than say white-collar crime, corporate crime, Wall Street crime, American state crimes and so forth. 

I thank the "peace the racist" author for promising not to submit anymore racist and stupid comments.  Apparently one poorly thought out paragraph is all he/she could muster from that fascinating mind of his/hers.  Cheers everyone!


Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 22 @ 08:14:51 EDT (6 reads)
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StuffAnonymous writes "I think you should apologize to all of the black police officers, unless you believe there is no such thing.

Posted by hostmaster on Friday, August 22 @ 08:14:31 EDT (5 reads)
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 Oh, So I'm Here to Amuse You ...

CommunityAnonymous writes "Funny how?

Professor Peace

Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 21 @ 06:39:29 EDT (18 reads)
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 peace the racist

StuffAnonymous writes "Yeah, never mind the fact that neither peace or any of those he follows ever say a single thing about blacks killing blacks. Its ok as far as he is concerned, only when its white on black is it an issue. Of course he hates the police, until he needs them, then its a different story. Never mind that it was blacks who sold their "brothers" into slavery, that its blacks who commit the vast majority of crimes in this country (their excuse is that they are poor, too bad). He is correct that this is a country ruled by white men, always has been and always will be, thank god for that. I also know he has taken the side of ISIS, he feels they are justified and righteous and only wishes he could afford the plane ticket to Syria. Thats it for me as far as Peace the fool is concerned, no more comments from me, he's an idiot and not worth the time.

Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 21 @ 06:39:19 EDT (7 reads)
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GovernmentAnonymous writes "I bet 'ol peace was creamin' his jeans when he heard about the American being beheaded by the ISIS (Islamic) skum. What color are they peace, white? Speaking of color, what white mob has been killing blacks? Fill us all in on that would ya? Oh I see, thats what you wish was happening, not what really is, I get it, you just make it up as you go to match your view of things. Kind of like...a fantasy...a dream(wet in your case)...a vision...a prophesy...a wish.

Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 21 @ 06:39:04 EDT (12 reads)
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Anonymous writes "doc jill let me know when that black is flying over the white house you irrational moron."

Posted by hostmaster on Thursday, August 21 @ 06:38:48 EDT (5 reads)
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 Another Synthetic seller gets major prison-time

Anonymous writes "http://news.yahoo.com/synthetic-drug-seller-gets-17-years-prison-220656003.html

"City officials considered The Last Place on Earth to be blight on downtown Duluth. Scruffy customers would form long lines out the door. Hospital emergency rooms handled countless cases of people suffering ill effects from the drugs, such as paranoia, agitation, seizures and racing heartbeats. Police said one customer pulled out some of his teeth and another gouged his eye with a fork."

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 19 @ 08:21:00 EDT (30 reads)
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 Darkness Falls and Seasons Change

GovernmentAnonymous writes ""We'll see summer come again!"

Obama was an important symbol historically, the power structure didn't let him do very much, he was clearly in over his head, or Democrats really are just actors playing a role, they provide a slightly more palatable rhetoric as they bomb and help the rich get richer relative to the rest of the society. 

May there be justice in Ferguson, Missouri [as white mobs continue to murder black males as they've done all through American history.  A police force of mostly whites basically occupying Black American neighborhoods throughout America terrorizing black people ... and militarized now!  Yay!  I love violent white men with guns and badges running around my community!  Makes me feel so safe!  As they fire weapons which violate the Chemical Weapons Convention because "tear gas" is outlawed in war.  But it's okay if you're dispersing peaceful protesters in the streets of America.]

... and other such speeches Obama didn't give. 


P.S.  A "police force" and all the propagandistic treatment of police forces in our society ... akin to our sickening glorification of all things "military."  These people are psychotic white men and anyone else they can hire to run around with guns being violent and authoritarian with people.  Imperialism abroad and police repression at home.  America is a very aggressive nation ... and a police force is still just a mob of gun-toting white guys paid to violently protect the property and power structure in U.S. society Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, Inc.


Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 19 @ 08:20:51 EDT (24 reads)
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 professor peace

StuffAnonymous writes "Peace, I really couldn't give a rats a$$ who you are, its what you are that amuses me.

Posted by hostmaster on Tuesday, August 19 @ 08:20:33 EDT (19 reads)
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 RE: Peace and other things

GovernmentAnonymous writes "Anyone with any basic knowledge of history understands that no civilization which has preceded us can measure up to our standards. For the most part they were all barbaric and condoned standards that the vast majority of us find reprehensible. 

Go back as far as our records indicate and you find slavery, wars of conquest, significant class distinctions and unrest if not warfare and much worse. The Bible is replete with wars of conquest not only by the Israelites but against them. The Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Philistines, the Greeks, the Romans and others did the same things. Even on this side of the Atlantic things were not better. The Incas conquered other tribes enslaving untold numbers and subjugating the rest. The Mayans did the same as did the Aztecs. In the latter case it is precisely because the Aztecs were such vicious masters that the subjugated tribes joined with the Spanish to overthrow them.

The Indians of what is now the US and Canada were no better. Oh, the econazis would have us believe that the American Indians lived peaceful lives, never bothered other tribes and lived in complete harmony with the land. This is part of the progressive utopian myth and it far from reality. The numerous tribes fought against each other for centuries in their efforts to get as much of the available resources for themselves. They even enslaved members of other tribes. Sure, there was the Iroquois Confederacy which managed to maintain more or less peaceful relationships between the Six Nations as there were other treaties between various tribes some of which lasted for long periods while others were routinely broken.

Even the French and Indians war didn't actually change much in terms of the rivalries between the various Indian Nations. The weapons were, of course, modernized but the tribe were still acting on old grudges with their new alliances. Peace and other no doubt attribute all of the animus in these instances to the white man but there was plenty of animus between tribes to go around. 

It is a fact that the vast majority of native people in the Americas died as a result of diseases that were inadvertently introduced by colonists. I'm not ignoring the purposeful and murderous contamination of tribes by some but by then the greatest damage had been done. One must never lose sight of the fact that Columbus wasn't the first the reach the Americas and though those previous adventurers aren't as well know it was inevitable that the Americas would be discovered.

If Columbus hadn't discovered the Americas when he did someone else would have. Suppose it had taken another 100 years to discover the Americans, would the disastrous effects of disease been less? Far from it. It would have been at least as bad if not worse and combined with an even greater disparity between the technological aspects of the two sides things would have been far worse for the natives. It is unlikely that the Native Americans would have progressed much farther than they were in the 15th century by the 16th century or even later.

I guess Peace is saying that it was the opening of Japan in the mid 1800's that caused them to be the bastards they were a century later. Do not forget that prior to this time Japan was a feudal society with the vast majority of the people having no rights. The various portions of the country were run by the leaders of these domains and their rule was enforced by the Samurai. The Samurai began losing power in the mid 1800's, coinciding with the opening. It was actually a return to the "good ole days" of the Samurai that brought about the atrocities of which I spoke. So, reminiscing about the past isn't good in this case as things were far worse for the average person.

So, when I said that we cannot evaluate the past based upon the values and mores of today Peace and anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of history should understand what I meant. Of course, I do not expect Peace to acknowledge this just as he will not acknowledge his numerous losses to me. But, though is serves little purpose to evaluate past civilizations with today's values, standards and mores we must never forget that it is important to avoid their most reprehensible aspects. 

The fact that all past civilizations had their dark side should never be lost on us today. By ignoring such negative aspects of anything will inevitably result in us repeating them. We see such a repetition in the anti-Semitic rhetoric coming out of Europe and some area here in reference to the current problems in the Middle East. ISIS and other islamofascist groups all have the same objective - the total destruction of Israel, the killing of every Jew and the destruction of America and the subjugation of everyone on the planet to their interpretation of islam. 

In other matters we find that the governor of Texas has been indicted for doing his job. Should this case ever reach the conclusion that the democrats want then every governor AND THE PRESIDENT could be indicted for threatening to veto any legislation. Obama will be in terrible trouble if this comes to pass as he has threatened to veto legislation many times.

As for the whack job who posted some irrational thoughts pretending to be me - I do not hate progressives. I know you cannot understand this as you whole world is filled with hate, especially for things you do not understand. And, there is a hell of a lot that you do not understand. As for the islamofascist bastards coming here it is they who say they will. They are undoubtedly here now waiting to attack. We have an untold number of American Citizens fighting in the Middle East and if and when they return they could begin the fight here. Fortunately one of them, from Florida, blew himself up over there so he would be among them. But, have no doubt many crossing our southern border are not here to work, they are here to cause problems either as members of MS-13 and other gangs or part of the islamofascist goal of destroying the US and flying that black flag over the White House.
Doc Bill

Posted by hostmaster on Monday, August 18 @ 07:19:24 EDT (36 reads)
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 Thin Skin

CommunityAnonymous writes "I think I'm the one getting under your skin; I enjoy responding to idiotic comments.  Japan is/was an "island full of a$$holes."  Wow, that's really astute analysis, please continue bestowing your wisdom upon us.  My implication was that Japan became industrial and imperial because that's what you needed to do if you wanted to be a world power ... the West did it first ... I provided plenty of examples demonstrating Japan was consciously modeling itself after Western powers.  But I know it's difficult for people who divide the world into good and evil to understand nuance and consider the possibility that maybe all imperialism and violent conquest is bad whether it's the Japanese empire, the American empire, The British empire, the Russian empire or the Schnozberry empire doing the conquering and killing.  Keep on wavin' that flag buddy [and nice try but you ain't gettin' any personal info from me unless I offer it voluntarily, you sound like you know who I am anyways, the question is 'who are youuuuuuuuu???!!!'



Posted by hostmaster on Monday, August 18 @ 07:19:10 EDT (21 reads)
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